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		<title>By: More on Spotify &#171; Some Kind of Genius</title>
		<link>http://www.stevelawson.net/2009/08/spotify-are-they-the-bad-guys/comment-page-1/#comment-1593</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Spotify &#171; Some Kind of Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an extension on the Spotify debate that I posted about previously, Interesting angle from Steve Lawson on Spotify, to summarize he sees it that regardless of wheter he makes money or not from spotify, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daryl Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t gotten to check out Spotify yet - being in the US (mostly) and all - but I was really hoping the Rhapsody model is what would win out. I get paid one cent for each track streamed through Rhapsody, which isn&#039;t bad and does add up. As a listener, I pay only $12 a month for unlimited streaming audio, which is an incredible deal.

If they improved their interface, and more importantly, put together an iPhone app that worked well, it seems like the ideal way for everyone. I didn&#039;t realize Spotify didn&#039;t reimburse artists - really, there is no payment whatsoever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t gotten to check out Spotify yet &#8211; being in the US (mostly) and all &#8211; but I was really hoping the Rhapsody model is what would win out. I get paid one cent for each track streamed through Rhapsody, which isn&#8217;t bad and does add up. As a listener, I pay only $12 a month for unlimited streaming audio, which is an incredible deal.</p>
<p>If they improved their interface, and more importantly, put together an iPhone app that worked well, it seems like the ideal way for everyone. I didn&#8217;t realize Spotify didn&#8217;t reimburse artists &#8211; really, there is no payment whatsoever?</p>
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		<title>By: rubken</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point that you are not independent music is well made Steve. Does the same way of thinking work for the concept &quot;music industry&quot;?

I&#039;m not sure that any involvement with rights organisations has to be feeding yourself to the machine. Now that a significant portion of sales and plays happen via the intertubes it should be possible to track them.

Plays on services like Spotify, Last.fm and so forth could be attributed and a slice, or at least a few crumbs, or the pie shared. The PRS could do this if it would lift it&#039;s head up and embrace the changes digital distribution have wrought.

As you say, it doesn&#039;t take much to make a small business or individual&#039;s music career sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point that you are not independent music is well made Steve. Does the same way of thinking work for the concept &#8220;music industry&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that any involvement with rights organisations has to be feeding yourself to the machine. Now that a significant portion of sales and plays happen via the intertubes it should be possible to track them.</p>
<p>Plays on services like Spotify, Last.fm and so forth could be attributed and a slice, or at least a few crumbs, or the pie shared. The PRS could do this if it would lift it&#8217;s head up and embrace the changes digital distribution have wrought.</p>
<p>As you say, it doesn&#8217;t take much to make a small business or individual&#8217;s music career sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Colie Brice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colie Brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I hear that Steve, but it ain&#039;t easy is it?  It seems to me that those who are pulling it together aren&#039;t trying to be all things to all people, the &quot;riches&quot; are indeed in niches - esoteric, well defined genres or styles that appeal to a specific sub set of dedicated music patrons.  Sometimes its the media format itself - such as audiophiles and vinyl freaks.

I used to be the VP of Marketing for Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab and it was the label iself that had a cult following.  People admired our remastering and QC standards to such a degree that they were actually &quot;subscribers&quot; of the releases..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I hear that Steve, but it ain&#8217;t easy is it?  It seems to me that those who are pulling it together aren&#8217;t trying to be all things to all people, the &#8220;riches&#8221; are indeed in niches &#8211; esoteric, well defined genres or styles that appeal to a specific sub set of dedicated music patrons.  Sometimes its the media format itself &#8211; such as audiophiles and vinyl freaks.</p>
<p>I used to be the VP of Marketing for Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab and it was the label iself that had a cult following.  People admired our remastering and QC standards to such a degree that they were actually &#8220;subscribers&#8221; of the releases..</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Spotify needs to hurry up and get to the USA. I keep hearing all these great things but cannot get to check out spotify for the life of me.

Second, really interesting perspective in that whether we get paid or not Indie artists still need to be where the people are. You are right, but how is this any different from when the majors teamed up with myspace while butting the indies out (only difference is myspace is more established)? I am fine with someone creating a community, allowing music to be discovered and getting paid for doing so. Spotify, from my view, deserves to get paid. It is just unfortunate that some get paid, some don&#039;t. I&#039;d rather no one get paid.

My solution is that since the labels own stock in spotify, the artists on those labels should own stock in the majors. Won&#039;t really happen, but I think it would work.

And also, I disagree that similar sites before this failed because of poor setup. Some certainly did for that reason, but there are plenty of sites like Muxtape who were sued into shutting down because they wouldn&#039;t play ball with the majors. Just because the majors, 7 years or so too late, finally decide to support newer online methods of distribution does not mean that Spotify has discovered the holy grail business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Spotify needs to hurry up and get to the USA. I keep hearing all these great things but cannot get to check out spotify for the life of me.</p>
<p>Second, really interesting perspective in that whether we get paid or not Indie artists still need to be where the people are. You are right, but how is this any different from when the majors teamed up with myspace while butting the indies out (only difference is myspace is more established)? I am fine with someone creating a community, allowing music to be discovered and getting paid for doing so. Spotify, from my view, deserves to get paid. It is just unfortunate that some get paid, some don&#8217;t. I&#8217;d rather no one get paid.</p>
<p>My solution is that since the labels own stock in spotify, the artists on those labels should own stock in the majors. Won&#8217;t really happen, but I think it would work.</p>
<p>And also, I disagree that similar sites before this failed because of poor setup. Some certainly did for that reason, but there are plenty of sites like Muxtape who were sued into shutting down because they wouldn&#8217;t play ball with the majors. Just because the majors, 7 years or so too late, finally decide to support newer online methods of distribution does not mean that Spotify has discovered the holy grail business model.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>got any numbers for that Colie? define &#039;very few&#039;. How few is still &#039;enough&#039;.

I think what&#039;s great is that this doesn&#039;t have to be about &#039;independent musicians&#039; but is about whether I want to support Miriam Jones making music, or Susan Enan, Michael Manring, Jonatha Brooke, Ryan Scott, Yvonne Lyon... they aren&#039;t &#039;independent musicians&#039; when I&#039;m thinking about paying for their music, they&#039;re people who make music, whose stories I know (to varying degrees) and who&#039;s music I&#039;m grateful for.

The relationship between me and any member of my audience is bi-lateral. They aren&#039;t some amorphous blob, and I&#039;m not &#039;independent music&#039;. They care about it to varying degrees and for a panoply of reasons.

This weekend I was told by a friend that she played my music in the delivery room while giving birth. Her and her hubby now want to book a house concert. Most of their friends haven&#039;t heard of me, so having already bought my CDs, they are still &#039;more&#039; grateful for the music that the cost of the CDs allowed them to express, so they are willing to risk inviting their friends to a gig in their house, one they&#039;ll have to explain time and time again, out of their sense of the &#039;value&#039; in what I do. And as a result, I&#039;ll make a few hundred quid. Sounds like a win to me. I don&#039;t need that many gigs like that a year to make my music career sustainable, profitable and entirely independent from the machine of the music industry. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got any numbers for that Colie? define &#8216;very few&#8217;. How few is still &#8216;enough&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s great is that this doesn&#8217;t have to be about &#8216;independent musicians&#8217; but is about whether I want to support Miriam Jones making music, or Susan Enan, Michael Manring, Jonatha Brooke, Ryan Scott, Yvonne Lyon&#8230; they aren&#8217;t &#8216;independent musicians&#8217; when I&#8217;m thinking about paying for their music, they&#8217;re people who make music, whose stories I know (to varying degrees) and who&#8217;s music I&#8217;m grateful for.</p>
<p>The relationship between me and any member of my audience is bi-lateral. They aren&#8217;t some amorphous blob, and I&#8217;m not &#8216;independent music&#8217;. They care about it to varying degrees and for a panoply of reasons.</p>
<p>This weekend I was told by a friend that she played my music in the delivery room while giving birth. Her and her hubby now want to book a house concert. Most of their friends haven&#8217;t heard of me, so having already bought my CDs, they are still &#8216;more&#8217; grateful for the music that the cost of the CDs allowed them to express, so they are willing to risk inviting their friends to a gig in their house, one they&#8217;ll have to explain time and time again, out of their sense of the &#8216;value&#8217; in what I do. And as a result, I&#8217;ll make a few hundred quid. Sounds like a win to me. I don&#8217;t need that many gigs like that a year to make my music career sustainable, profitable and entirely independent from the machine of the music industry. <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colie Brice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colie Brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line?  Very few people care about whether or not independent musicians can earn a living or not..  Sad but true..

Everyone loves music and have varied tastes, but its damn near impossible to compete with free..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line?  Very few people care about whether or not independent musicians can earn a living or not..  Sad but true..</p>
<p>Everyone loves music and have varied tastes, but its damn near impossible to compete with free..</p>
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		<title>By: FIL JONES</title>
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		<dc:creator>FIL JONES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t speak for Wally, but I think he has a valid point, and that is that ISP&#039;s make a hugh amount of money selling and transmitting data that they do not own.

FIL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t speak for Wally, but I think he has a valid point, and that is that ISP&#8217;s make a hugh amount of money selling and transmitting data that they do not own.</p>
<p>FIL</p>
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		<title>By: rubken</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The act of giving your music away for free only has meaning if it impacts on the listener. In the case of Spotify everyone listens to the ads whether the musicians you are listening to wish it or not. If the revenue is being collected it should be distributed fairly.
I don&#039;t think you need to track individual listeners to do this only overall play counts in the Spotify library. Black box (unattributable) royalties have been one of the major inequities of the music industry for a long time. It should be possible to use services like Spotify and even torrent sites as a means to reduce this. If the majors aren&#039;t hoovering up these funds they might have to change their ways sooner rather than later.
That said, the most important thing to me is being able to listen to more music from more different artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The act of giving your music away for free only has meaning if it impacts on the listener. In the case of Spotify everyone listens to the ads whether the musicians you are listening to wish it or not. If the revenue is being collected it should be distributed fairly.<br />
I don&#8217;t think you need to track individual listeners to do this only overall play counts in the Spotify library. Black box (unattributable) royalties have been one of the major inequities of the music industry for a long time. It should be possible to use services like Spotify and even torrent sites as a means to reduce this. If the majors aren&#8217;t hoovering up these funds they might have to change their ways sooner rather than later.<br />
That said, the most important thing to me is being able to listen to more music from more different artists.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fortunately my ISP will see that you&#039;re quoting me, and bill you accordingly ;)

See you in Wales! x</description>
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<p>See you in Wales! x</p>
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