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	<title>Comments on: Nokia Open Lab 08. The write-up. part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.stevelawson.net/2008/09/nokia-open-lab-08-the-write-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;there was a discussion about the future of the music industry and its relationship with social media/mob-tech, and I WASN’T IN IT.

W. T. F?&lt;/cite&gt;

indeed!

well I think they missed out there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>there was a discussion about the future of the music industry and its relationship with social media/mob-tech, and I WASN’T IN IT.</p>
<p>W. T. F?</cite></p>
<p>indeed!</p>
<p>well I think they missed out there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mickipedia &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nokia Open Lab 08</title>
		<link>http://www.stevelawson.net/2008/09/nokia-open-lab-08-the-write-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickipedia &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nokia Open Lab 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I began to piece together some of what Nokia might have been trying to accomplish. My new friend Steve Lawson was the first to suggest that the event was put on primarily as an internal training program for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ms. Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.stevelawson.net/2008/09/nokia-open-lab-08-the-write-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person in the Music section, we needed you. &#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person in the Music section, we needed you. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: WOM World / Nokia &#187; Blog Archive - Nokia Open Lab&#8230; reflections</title>
		<link>http://www.stevelawson.net/2008/09/nokia-open-lab-08-the-write-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>WOM World / Nokia &#187; Blog Archive - Nokia Open Lab&#8230; reflections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lawson, aka solobasssteve has written up some of his first impressions on his blog which should whet your appetite for what else he has to say in the near future. So too [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lawson, aka solobasssteve has written up some of his first impressions on his blog which should whet your appetite for what else he has to say in the near future. So too [...]</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, thanks so much for the clarification. I think the semantic trip-up was the word &#039;film&#039; - maybe it was a Euro/US thing, but what you&#039;re describing seems more like a &#039;long-form cinema&#039; than anything I would&#039;ve assigned to the word film.... again, it&#039;s something that we could&#039;ve clarified in 3 seconds if it had been a discussion you were leading round a table, or there&#039;d been time for questions before we moved into the the groups... Not your fault at all...

It&#039;s fascinating to me because your background is in writing for TV/Film as a contracted &#039;provider of content&#039; (feel free to correct me, if I miss a vital element - it&#039;s likely to happen! :)  ) - my relationship with my &#039;art&#039; has always been on the level of &#039;make it because I love it, then try to market the end result where my hunch tells me it will be best received.&#039; I&#039;ve always tried to abstract those two parts of the process from eachother.

Where your framework is most interesting to me is the fragmenting of &#039;moving images&#039; into the technology/social space-divided sub genres of TV/cinema/mobile/web - I&#039;ve never really gone through that process with my relationship with music, even though music works in the same way - be it live, recorded, shared, background, soundtrack, club-night... maybe I&#039;ll try writing specifically for each scenario and see how I get on - I wonder if it would refine or dilute my own sense of what&#039;s of value in music.

Thanks so much for the discussion, let&#039;s keep it going :) x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, thanks so much for the clarification. I think the semantic trip-up was the word &#8216;film&#8217; &#8211; maybe it was a Euro/US thing, but what you&#8217;re describing seems more like a &#8216;long-form cinema&#8217; than anything I would&#8217;ve assigned to the word film&#8230;. again, it&#8217;s something that we could&#8217;ve clarified in 3 seconds if it had been a discussion you were leading round a table, or there&#8217;d been time for questions before we moved into the the groups&#8230; Not your fault at all&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fascinating to me because your background is in writing for TV/Film as a contracted &#8216;provider of content&#8217; (feel free to correct me, if I miss a vital element &#8211; it&#8217;s likely to happen! <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   ) &#8211; my relationship with my &#8216;art&#8217; has always been on the level of &#8216;make it because I love it, then try to market the end result where my hunch tells me it will be best received.&#8217; I&#8217;ve always tried to abstract those two parts of the process from eachother.</p>
<p>Where your framework is most interesting to me is the fragmenting of &#8216;moving images&#8217; into the technology/social space-divided sub genres of TV/cinema/mobile/web &#8211; I&#8217;ve never really gone through that process with my relationship with music, even though music works in the same way &#8211; be it live, recorded, shared, background, soundtrack, club-night&#8230; maybe I&#8217;ll try writing specifically for each scenario and see how I get on &#8211; I wonder if it would refine or dilute my own sense of what&#8217;s of value in music.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the discussion, let&#8217;s keep it going <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  x</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and what I was trying to do with describing film was a spin on McLuhan&#039;s &quot;The medium is the message.&quot;  If you say film is just moving pictures, then you equate it with television and internet video, which we have seen evolve and tell stories and entertain people in markedly different ways.  If you ignore the medium, you definitely miss the message.

I intended to contrast film with TV, but feared I was talking too long.  In short, TV tells stories differently because you follow characters over time, and these characters must be ones you&#039;d invite into your home on a weekly basis.  Furthermore, TV stories and characters tend to be &quot;life-sized&quot; while film is &quot;larger-than-life&quot; because that is how they appear on-screen.  For example, you&#039;ll find that the detective genre has largely died out in films, but it looms large in television. While film is a large-scale in-person social event, television can either be intensely personal or enjoyed in-person on a family or family-like scale.

The way people &quot;interact&quot; with a film screen and a TV screen and their hand-held mobile devices differs, so even if you showed the same content on all three, your enjoyment of same would be different.  As creators, we must be aware of the unique abilities and technology of each medium and create content that works best in that format.

Certainly all of these media can go further in the way they incorporate social media and mobile devices, but it&#039;s important to recognize these media already have distinctive differences that it would be foolish to ignore.  We saw the workshop groups successfully explore many ideas that took both concerns into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and what I was trying to do with describing film was a spin on McLuhan&#8217;s &#8220;The medium is the message.&#8221;  If you say film is just moving pictures, then you equate it with television and internet video, which we have seen evolve and tell stories and entertain people in markedly different ways.  If you ignore the medium, you definitely miss the message.</p>
<p>I intended to contrast film with TV, but feared I was talking too long.  In short, TV tells stories differently because you follow characters over time, and these characters must be ones you&#8217;d invite into your home on a weekly basis.  Furthermore, TV stories and characters tend to be &#8220;life-sized&#8221; while film is &#8220;larger-than-life&#8221; because that is how they appear on-screen.  For example, you&#8217;ll find that the detective genre has largely died out in films, but it looms large in television. While film is a large-scale in-person social event, television can either be intensely personal or enjoyed in-person on a family or family-like scale.</p>
<p>The way people &#8220;interact&#8221; with a film screen and a TV screen and their hand-held mobile devices differs, so even if you showed the same content on all three, your enjoyment of same would be different.  As creators, we must be aware of the unique abilities and technology of each medium and create content that works best in that format.</p>
<p>Certainly all of these media can go further in the way they incorporate social media and mobile devices, but it&#8217;s important to recognize these media already have distinctive differences that it would be foolish to ignore.  We saw the workshop groups successfully explore many ideas that took both concerns into account.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aha, definitely a miscommunication from the people with better eyesight sat where they could read the flip-chart then ;)

It&#039;s a shame we didn&#039;t get to hear anything from NickB about his http://protagonize.com/ site, WRT to the future of novels/short stories...

but this is the strength of it for me - we all now know who eachother, and can create our own space to dig a little deeper, to swap ideas and continue the party :) x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aha, definitely a miscommunication from the people with better eyesight sat where they could read the flip-chart then <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame we didn&#8217;t get to hear anything from NickB about his <a href="http://protagonize.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/protagonize.com/?referer=');">http://protagonize.com/</a> site, WRT to the future of novels/short stories&#8230;</p>
<p>but this is the strength of it for me &#8211; we all now know who eachother, and can create our own space to dig a little deeper, to swap ideas and continue the party <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  x</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, there was still internet/mobile video, novels/short stories, and TV to choose from.  I would have thought someone would want to choose internet/mobile video at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, there was still internet/mobile video, novels/short stories, and TV to choose from.  I would have thought someone would want to choose internet/mobile video at least.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne, I think by the time we&#039;d finished deliberating, we&#039;d run out of choices. There were a couple of people who were quite vocal about wanting Games as our choice too, but what happened to them in the discussion is anyone&#039;s guess ;)

I met a couple of people from NGage at the party - lovely people, but they didn&#039;t seem to like my idea of adding a &#039;negotiate&#039; option to their new fighting game... The idea of virtually kicking someone in the head is anathema to me ;)

I really hope we can continue the conversation at some point - I&#039;m fascinated by your journey from old media to games narratives, and would love to chat more about it... xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne, I think by the time we&#8217;d finished deliberating, we&#8217;d run out of choices. There were a couple of people who were quite vocal about wanting Games as our choice too, but what happened to them in the discussion is anyone&#8217;s guess <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I met a couple of people from NGage at the party &#8211; lovely people, but they didn&#8217;t seem to like my idea of adding a &#8216;negotiate&#8217; option to their new fighting game&#8230; The idea of virtually kicking someone in the head is anathema to me <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I really hope we can continue the conversation at some point &#8211; I&#8217;m fascinated by your journey from old media to games narratives, and would love to chat more about it&#8230; xx</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Steve.  I was so curious about how the games group picked games when no one played them.  Did you guys feel forced to pick games?  The goal was for each group to talk amongst themselves and pick their own type of entertainment and move from there.  You could have picked music if you spoke up faster than the bar group :)

If it&#039;s any consolation, I am mad for games, and didn&#039;t end up in the game group, nor did I once meet any of the Nokia people from NGage, their gaming device.  Guess we can&#039;t always have what we want :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Steve.  I was so curious about how the games group picked games when no one played them.  Did you guys feel forced to pick games?  The goal was for each group to talk amongst themselves and pick their own type of entertainment and move from there.  You could have picked music if you spoke up faster than the bar group <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s any consolation, I am mad for games, and didn&#8217;t end up in the game group, nor did I once meet any of the Nokia people from NGage, their gaming device.  Guess we can&#8217;t always have what we want <img src='http://www.stevelawson.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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